Feb 19 2007

Yes! We’re all individuals!

Published by Fence under Irishify, Musing

And so, of course, we are all entitled to our own points of view. But[1] sometimes don’t you think it’d be easier if we all thought the same way[2] Wouldn’t it make life so much easier? Think about it. No more contentious issues such as “who should we vote for” never mind “whose god is better” because we’d all agree[3] Think how many wars and deaths we’d prevent if we all just got along, or at the very least pretended to get along. For the sake of the children[4] But alas, and indeed alack, this future of agreement, harmony and living happily every after is probably[5] never going to happen.

You only have to look at the passions being raised over the Ireland V England rugby match to realise that peoples don’t agree with peoples.

I know, you[6] are thinking, sure it is only a rugby match, what is there to disagree over? The quick answer is a bloody lot.

First off there is the whole idea of anything but GAA being played at Croker. Where else would you have an amateur sporting organisation coming to the aid of the two main professional sporting bodies and letting them use its venue. But this can pretty much be ignored. This argument was had before the French came and stole our thunder. No, this argument rests squarely with the fact that it is damned English that are coming.

After all we all recall the Martin Johnson incident, don’t we? Where he and his ebil henchmen came and stood in the wrong position. Breaking protocol and forcing our president to walk off the red carpet, and on to the grass![7] Imagine that. Her excellency forced to walk on the green sod itself. Horrific.

We have long memories here in Ireland, so we do. That’ll never be forgotten. You hear Mr[8] Johnson, never!

But of course the real reason for objections is the fact that the anthem God Save The Queen will be played. In the very grounds where the british army shot dead 14 Irish people, including one of the players[9] Don’t forget that Hill 16 was built out of the rubble of the 1916 destruction. It is sacred ground, because the GAA is much more than a sporting organisation. It is a way of life, and a cultural identifier[10] and to have the “enemy’s anthem” played there shows a serious lack of respect.

According to some people.

Me, I tend to disagree. After all isn’t rugby one place where we have a united Ireland? And isn’t it said that sport is war by other means[11] so surely some people should see it as a good thing. Ireland united against the English.

I’m going to be totally honest here. I don’t like the English anthem. And I don’t like the Union Jack. And I cannot give you a rational explanation for that, I just dislike them. Cultural hatred or summat. But that doesn’t mean I wouldn’t stand for both. Or for the English Queen.[12] because just like our president is a representative of Ireland, so is the Queen a symbol of England. And in this day and age, surely we can be mature enough to respect the English anthem as it is a symbol of the English people of today. Not of 10 years ago. And not of 800 years ago.

A sense of history is important. No denying that. But so too is learning from the past and moving on.

Course, we don’t live in my personal dictatorship[13] so you can have your own opinions and express them too.

Edited to add:
elsewhereblogs are saying:

  • It’s only a game - In Fact, Ah
  • England go back to school - Ireland rugby.com
  • A Hain, a wreath and the first Bloody Sunday - The Poor Mouth
  • God save wikipedia - blankpaige
  • God Save All Of Us From This Nonsense - Tom’s Sporting Almanac
  • Six Nations Tipping part 3 - In fact, ah
  • Linknotes:
    1. how obvious was it that a but was coming? rank the obvious factor out of ten please
    2. that way being my way, needless as this is to add
    3. the answers being 1- you should all vote for me and 2- my god is bestest of them all
    4. Oh won’t somebody think of the children
    5. you can never rule everything out
    6. you furrin types anyway
    7. if this was a podcast you’d be able to hear the squawk of outrage at that
    8. whether he deserves this title I’m not sure, but I will be polite
    9. origin of the name of the Hogan Stand
    10. to get serious for the slightest of slight moments, this is true. Or at least was true
    11. okay, so that saying is actually war is politics by other means, but whateveh
    12. Id sit for the princes and rest of the royals though. Not a big fan of royalty
    13. mores the pity
    Tags: 1916 Rising, 6nations2007, cultural identity, GAA, GSTQ fuss, Hill 16, Ireland, Ireland V England, irish history, long memories, memory, my own personal dictatorship, politics, rugby, Six Nations

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    Oct 16 2006

    Week 193

    Published by Fence under TV, Weekly memes

    Yes, yes, I’m late with my Luna Nina fun, but what can I say, tough luck ;)

    1. Weeks ::
    2. Cough ::
    3. Jail ::
    4. Produced ::
    5. ? ::
    6. Stapler ::
    7. Next ::
    8. Perky ::
    9. Oxygen ::
    10. Musical ::
    11. (mine are after the cut)

    You know, I was watching crap on TV, Ross Kemp on Gangs, or some such nonsense, but it served somewhat of a purpose. Made me thankful I don’t live in San Salvador where there is something like 11 murders a day. We may have corrupt politicians, but at least we aren’t that bad.

    If however, you want to be depressed, why not go to the NYT[1] and read this story all about how elephantss social lives are falling to pieces. And that isn’t a joke. Seems that because poachers have been killing off so many adults that young elephants are gowing up traumatised and without any idea of how to behave. Meaning that they turn into “rogue elephants”

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    Linknotes:
    1. Bugmenot suggests NYTLoser as both username and password
    Tags: cultural identity, elephants, Luna Nina, Ross Kemp, Ross Kemp on Gangs

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    Sep 05 2006

    So what are you saying, Sharon? They’re eating putty out of my hand in my head?

    Published by Fence under Musing, Sport

    If you see this what do you think of?

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    The reason I ask is because this flag was the subject of a recent article in one of the Sunday papers. See county flags are a fairly recent phenomenon[1] at GAA matches, and you’ll often see supporters carrying other flags. Flags that have nothing at all to do with the county, apart from similar colours. And, among other flags, you’ll often see Cork fans waving this one. It fits even more because Cork is the Rebel County.

    And when I first read the article giving out about the use of the flag, saying that is symbol of slavery, racism and violence, and that the GAA should do their utmost to get fans not to carry it, I was a little, “whatever, it is just a flag.” But symbols are important things. And while those fans waving the confederate flag probably never think about its historical basis that doesn’t mean it doesn’t have a history, and that some people probably do feel insulted by it.

    And then I think, well, symbols change meaning over time. So why shouldn’t Cork fans use it because of one aspect and ignore the other. Does intent matter? Or is it simply the act that is important?

    Linknotes:
    1. do do be do be do
    Tags: Cork, cultural identity, dixie, flags, GAA, rebel county, symbolism

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    Aug 10 2006

    You people always claiming the Irish as yours

    Published by Fence under Irishify

    I’m bemused[1] My eyebrows are raised in a very “wtf are you on” sort of way.

    The thing is, I’m well aware that some people don’t know that Ireland isn’t part of Britain. And no offence to my American bloggers, but often those some people come from the US, so they have an excuse. Not like it actually matters to them when they come over on holiday, apart from the fact that we don’t share a currency. But you don’t need a passport to travel[2] between Britain and Ireland, so you might think things that are wrong.

    But when British people think it? I mean. WTF![3] But maybe it is just the listeners of Chris Moyle’s radio show? I dunno. But seriously, WTF?

    One [learned listener] called in to say he always thought Ireland was in Britain and this was backed up with more texts from listeners who also felt the same.

    Moyles hit back by saying: “It’s like saying the French are German if you say the Irish are British.�

    *please insert your own version of my[4] mini-rant about 800[5] years of bloody struggle etc, violence, etc, blah blah blah. mention 1920’s. Not forgetting Treaties. Oh yeah, and actual independence. And the fact that we’re a republic*

    So, people of Britain, let me assure you, Bob Geldof is not British. He is, in fact, Irish. You can be Irish and British.[6] but only if you live in Northern Ireland. Which isn’t where Bob is from. He’s from Dublin. Which is in Ireland, aka Éire[7] often refered to as the Republic of Ireland. Now concentrate, and then think again about whether Bob Geldof is British.

    Maybe they’ve all been down the local library and been browsing through their Dewey Decimal system manuals, and discovered that Britain & Ireland are covered under the term The British Isles? And that is where the mistake comes from?

    Story spotted over at Blogorrah

    Linknotes:
    1. Do I use this word too often? Not my fault if the world bemuses me is it?
    2. well you do for the airplane company peoples, as id, but technically you don’t
    3. and yes, that totally deserved the capital letters. I could even have added another exclamation mark and not felt ott
    4. this is a participatory blog you know
    5. or 600 iffin you’re of Norman decent, ahem NM
    6. maybe this is where they got confuddled
    7. this is the official name of the state, but please don’t use it unless you are speaking in Irish, otherwise I’ll have to rant all over again
    Tags: Britain. Chris Moyles, cultural identity, irish history, people are strange, rant mode, stupidity, wtf!

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    May 24 2006

    Green Fields

    Published by Fence under Books, Sport

    Gaelic Sport in Ireland
    Author: Tom Humphries
    ISBN: 0297835661
    796.33

    The waves are hissing the secrets of winter. They arrive here bearing a wind which has lost no sharpness since it left the west coast of Scotland. The roads are empty and frosted tonight. The moon is timid in a louring sky. The dressing room lights are off. The floodlights have yet to be cranked up. The pitch is fringed with frost. There is nobody here. Why would anyone come?

    Tom Humphries is a sports writer here in Ireland, and a very good one at that. Always entertaining and readable every week in the Irish Times, but this book isn’t the greatest example of his writing.

    Green Fields starts off with a training session in early February, the start of the GAA year when all teams are equal. When all have a chance to win the All-Ireland. When players are unfit after their winter off, and when the evenings after work seem to dark to head out training. GAA players are all amateurs you see, and this is a book that points out how important the Gaelic Athletic Association is in Irish life. And how unique.

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    Tags: 7 Stars, 796.33, cultural identity, GAA, Green Fields, non-fiction, Sport, Tom Humphries

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    Jan 30 2006

    Fer Jaysus’ Sake

    Published by Fence under Musing

    Is milk really an iconic product? Is a “pint of milk” what represents Britain these days?

    I mean, just when you think the whole world gone mad watching a whale is bad along comes a story about how we measure liquids. And how people will get all confused, and end up buying too much milk, drink it and die as there bodies simply can’t take those extra few milimeters. Or perhaps they’ll buy too much, and then have it in the fridge for longer, and it’ll sour and they’ll still drink it and die of milk-poisoning?

    Or even worse, they won’t buy enough, and will die of milk deficiency.

    It could happen, right?

    If the legislation goes ahead, this will cause confusion amongst consumers, because as long as milk is sold in millilitres or litres, there will be no specific measurements required by law

    So, people of Britain, aren’t you glad that your retailers think you lot are as bright as a shite?


    Fiction Challenge: Find a piece of artwork you like, a painting or sculpture, something visual. Link to an image and write a story inspired by it. 500 words or less. Write it in one go, no going back and revising.

    Tags: Britain, cultural identity

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    Jan 28 2005

    Sectarian symbol? I fink not!

    Published by Fence under Honk, Irishify

    Lookie, lookie, two vaguely serious posts in the one day. Must be Friday.

    One of the Blue Peter presenters was recently in the news, some one had rung in complaining about her. The reason? They had some competition to find a symbol for an airline, she said that the red hand of Ulster would be a good choice. Previous to this incident she had picked out an illustration of Britain and Ireland both covered in the British flag.

    Now, I’ll definitely disagree with the Republic of Ireland being tarred with the British flag, but the other incident is nothing more than a storm in a teacup. The man who complained is a professor of symbology (okay, made up that term, he’s actually a sociology dude), saying that the Red Hand is primarily a sectarian symbol as it is used in loyalist murals.

    The first point I’ll make is so is Cuchulainn.
    Cuchulainn is one of the great heroes of Celtic Ireland. He is the primary character in the Táin Bo Cuailigne, also known as the cattle raid of Cooley. In this myth he defended Ulster, single-handedly, from the ravages of Connacht’s Medbh. He is used by some loyalists to show that Ulster was never truly part of Ireland. Medbh’s husband was Ailill of Leinster, and many Leinster men fought with Connacht. So certain loyalist propaganda shows Cuchulainn defending Ulster against all of Ireland, this line of reasoning seems to forget about Munster however, and ignores the fact that Cuchulain himself was from Dun Dealgan, in County Louth, now part of Leinster.

    Anyways, that is all beside the point. People can use any symbol for any purpose. Yes some loyalists use the red hand in their sectarian murals. But the GAA also use it, it is the primary devise on the county Tyrone shield. It also features in the Cavan and Monaghan shields, and neither of those two counties are in Northern Ireland, although they are part of Ulster.

    So the symbol is used by both communities (don’t you hate that term; community *shudder*), and we should be happy at that. After all symbols and terms can so easily develop into exclusive descriptors. The swastika, for example, is a symbol that has been used in many cultures. But today the primary association for many people is Nazi Germany.

    Similarly, in Ireland the term republican has come to be associated only with Sinn Féin types. Which is a bit on the strange side considering they don’t actually think of the Republic of Ireland as a legal state. Not only that, but for many people even the official Irish flag, the tricolour was a symbol, not of the republic but of those “republicans”. Only since the soccer team had such success have the “ordinary people” (another term I hate, but am too lazy to come up with an alternative) taken back the flag. Now you see it, and unless you are at a state function you begin to wonder what sport is on.

    In the end symbols can only represent what we think of, and are not all that hard to corrupt. If we agree wit that professor about the red hand of Ulster then we are, in effect, telling people that yes, that is a mark of loyalist sectarian violence. Well, I choose not too give them that.

    Tags: Cúchulainn, cultural identity, Ireland, myth, red hand of Ulster, sectarian symbols, symbolism, Táin Bó Cúalnge

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