Sep 18 2007

It’s an absolutely appalling rumour and has no foundation whatsoever, In fact, he’s sitting across the table happily eating his dinner as we speak.

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It is a bit chilly out this morning. But sunny so far, so its all good, plus, I suppose it is really and truly Autumn now, so I can’t complain.

I know, I know, talking about the weather, not exactly a gripping start to a post, and after I’ve been a tad lackadaisical about updating, but what do you expect? Do you really want me to moan about the RWC again? I can. It’d be easy. After all we did almost lose against Georgia. And as Roy Keane might say, all credit to Georgia, but, at the end of the day, we did win. And that is what is important. Never mind the shocking display. Never mind the lack of skills on display. Never mind that if it hadn’t been for Leamy getting under that ball they would have scored another try.

And now, now we have Eddie O’Sullivan dropping Stringer in favour of Reddan. Georgian Murphy out of the 22, Duffy on the bench. Trimble in for Hickie. I’m not sure I want to watch the game on Friday.

But you know what, I’m staying optimistic. Or deluded. Either way that good feeling I had before the RWC began, it is still here, and I’m sticking with it. Clinging desperately may be slightly more accurate, but whatever.

And of course the rumours are floating around about trouble in the camp. So dilemma. Do I repeat them and feed what may just be lies? Of course not. Because if the rumours of bust-ups at training are true then at least it shows some bit of passion. And while I don’t believe that it has gone totally Saipan on us, rumours of Geordan Murphy walking out may just breathe a bit of life back into the team.

Or maybe I really am totally deluded.

In other news have you heard the story about the body found on a Kerry beach, and taken away in a hearse? You know, the one that turned out to be a fish.

The world is a funny funny place sometimes.


Today’s post title was supplied by Karl Richardson and he was referring to those Saipan-style rumours.

Tags: 2007RWC, DAvid Trimble, deluded, Denis Hickie, Denis Leamy, Eddie O’Sullivan, Gavin Duffy, Geordan Murphy, Georgia, Georgian Murphy, Ireland, optimism, Peter Stringer, Pool D, Roy Keane, rugby, rumours, The Saipan Incident, weather

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May 31 2006

Team morale is brilliant, there are no worries about that. The lads are the best bunch you will ever meet and they will get on with it.

Published by Fence under Irishify, Musing, Sport

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The World Cup is almost here. Football is going to dominate all the newspapers and tv coverage. The whole world will go football crazy. Well, parts of it will.

We didn’t qualify. So instead of looking at our prospects I’m going to look back at “The Saipan Incident” of 2002. Because it still causes arguments you know. Who’d believe that a footballer could do almost as much damage as a civil war?

A bit of background; First we have Roy Keane. Footballing god, not for his talent because there are others with more natural ability. but for his sheer determination and desire to win. Alternatively we have Roy Keane, footballing thug and person to avoid. A man who’d want to win at any cost.

And then there is Mick McCarthy. Manager of the Irish team during this time. A previous Captain Fantastic in his own right, Mick never escaped the shadow of previous manager Jack Charlton[1] Nor did the team really live up to expectations.

And of course we have the FAI. Footballing Association of Ireland[2] The people responsible for the administration of the sport in Ireland. They had clashed with the players before, over issues such as seating arrangements on planes, and the condition of training facilities.

Let us also state that Roy Keane, captain of the Irish team had never really gotten on with Mick McCarthy.

Now the stage is set.

Whatever exactly happened in Saipan doesn’t really matter. like all these “defining moments” it is all down to interpretations of the events, because we’ll never know the truth. Emotion played too large a role.

Did Roy Keane question Mick’s Irishness? Did he call him an English cunt? He denies it. No one has ever come out straight and said it, but the whispers are there.

Did Mick McCarthy insult Roy by insinuating that he used his injuries as excuses not to play friendlies?

Whatever happened the result was all that matters. Roy Keane walked out on his team. On his country. That’s what some people say, but they won’t then go on to say that he changed his mind. That he agreed to stay, until another bust-up had him sent home. Sent, not walked out on[3]

And all across the world Irish football came under the spotlight. Most British journalists rushed to condemn Roy. To show the world that this thug couldn’t even be loyal to his own country.

Others were more balanced, giving reasons and excuses.

Some blamed Mick McCarthy. Other blamed Roy. I’m sure sales of newspapers sky rocketed as everyone back home wanted to know what was going on. Not only sports journalists were involved, but we were treated to an extended interview with Roy Keane on the telly, as he was asked “would he not go back, for the children Roy. For the children.” [4]

He didn’t. He wouldn’t play again for Ireland under the management of Mick McCarthy.

And all across the country people took up sides in the Roy Keane war. Families and friends divided. Nothing had divided the country like it since the actual Civil War[5] and we all know how that ended for one famous Corkman.

Personally, I think that both Roy and Mick were in the wrong. But it was really the fault of the FAI. Mismanagement how are ye.

Roy had his principles, and I don’t think that anyone can be asked to be blindly loyal to anything, person or country, and go against their own beliefs. That is where loyalty turns into stupidity. But there is also the fact that his temper got the better of him.

Perhaps when Keane had got his concerns off his chest in this newspaper there was no need to have it out with him in front of the other players. Keane has a tripwire temper and a hard streak of meanness in him, a trait which makes him the player and competitor he is, but which also means that any reaction from him was likely to have been of such vehemence that it left no exits open apart from his own

But back home you had to take a side, in this war between the old “sure aren’t we lucky to be here” attitude and the now, more professional, more demanding attitude of Roy Keane. Both sides have their good points. The desire to win at all costs is not a good thing. But neither is it right to just show up and hope for the best. You have to prepare, you have to work.

And despite the fact that after Mick McCarthy was replaced by Brian Kerr, and that Roy came back to play for Ireland the controversy still lingers. Roy Keane’s recent testimonial showed how many people love and admire him as a footballer, but his reputation is forever tarnished because he was the man who walked out on his team. And letters to various papers int he aftermath of his testimonial showed that there were many who were very willing to bring that up again. Almost four years on, the arguments may have died down but they haven’t gone away.

Linknotes:
  1. and did he really force out a few older players before their time?
  2. FAI In Turmoil
  3. Okay, I’m on Roy’s side
  4. RTE Interview
  5. I’m only half joking
Tags: 2002WorldCup, FAI, football, loyality turns to stupidity, Mick McCarthy, miscommunication, mismanagement, principles, Roy Keane, soccer, The Saipan Incident

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Feb 25 2006

Jaysus, lads. You can’t be doing that.

Published by Fence under Irishify, Ramblings

EDIT: Doh! Have only just realised now why the Jervis Centre was closed as I walked by it after leaving NM to catch her Luas. And Dossing Times has a good entry on the progress of the riots.


Went to see I, Keano in the Olympia today. Was very enjoyable.

Image Hosted by ImageShack.usBack in 2002 a civil war erupted in Ireland. On one side those who believed Roy Keane was right to insist on perfection. On the other, those who though Mick McCarthy and the team should stick together. Out of the drama came I, Keano a comedy musical play by men responsible for Gift Grub[1] and Father Ted. The writers; Arthur Matthews, Mario Rosenstock and Michael Nugent have transplanted the action back to Ancient Rome, with General Macarticus as he prepares his team for upcoming battle. Among the soldiers are Quinnus[2] and of course, the greatest warrior of them all, Keano. This run is, I think, its third in the Olympia, and today was the last showing before it heads off to the UK[3]

It was really good. Myself and NM were laughing the whole way through. The actor[4] playing Keano was fantastic, barely contained rage simmering all the time. And his scenes with the “great hair-dryer god” Fergie were fantastic. He did almost break character and piss himself laughing at one stage, but that just made it better.

I’m not sure if some of the jokes will work outside Ireland. Quinnus’ wife Surfia gets her name from the Surf adverts she has made. Still, I’m sure that most will work fine.

If you get the chance I’d say go along.

And then I got home to find out that I’d missed the riots. Yes, riots. There was supposed to have been a Love Ulster parade down O’Connell St. today. They are a loyalist/unionist group[5] who want to promote unionism blah blah NI politics. Anyways, certain individuals decided to cause a bit of trouble. Republicans[6] thought they’d stop the parade and, according to RTE, began attacking the gardaí, photgraphers and journalists. Poor old Charlie Bird was even hospitalised[7]

Businesses along the route were forced to shut as gardaí and members of the Garda Riot Squad forced the protesters down O’Connell Street.

Further skirmishes broke out at O’Connell Bridge, Aston Quay, Fleet Street and Temple Bar.

The most serious violence was in the Nassau Street area. Three cars were burnt out, windscreens were smashed and businesses had their windows broken

Glad I didn’t pop along for a gawk amn’t I?
But if one good thing comes from this, hopefully it’ll help persuade people that Sinn Féin and their supporters aren’t really interested in peace and democracy. The Community at Large has a collection of links in this post


Oh, and congrats to Scotland who defeated England in the rugby. Now no one can win the Grand Slam, but the Six Nations is now wide open. Hopefully it’ll be a good match tomorrow and we’ll defeat Wales.

Linknotes:
  1. a skit radio segment
  2. fresh from constructing yet another children’s hospital
  3. In Manchester
  4. originally played by Mario Rosenstock, but he has returned to Gift Grub
  5. Love Ulster
  6. though what sort of republic can you have with democracy?
  7. he has since been released
Tags: Arthur Matthews, comedy, Dublin riots, Gift Grub, I Keano, Mario Rosenstock, Michael Nugent, Mick McCarthy, Roy Keane, The Saipan Incident, theatre

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Nov 28 2005

“I think Niall Quinn is a creep”

Published by Fence under Shiny, Sport, TV

The good people over at In Fact, Ah have put back up their clip of Dunphy on Keane. Makes for bloody addictive tv viewing. And highlights the fact that Roy Keane must be one of the most divisive topics in the Irish sporting world at the moment. Or ever.

Please note, the title of this post is not my opinion but a direct quote. If you have issues take it up with Dunphy :)

Photobucket - Video and Image HostingNow I’ve said it before, and I may say it again, I’m more on Keane’s side than against him. Was Keane right to say whatever it was he said in that interview? Depends on your perspective doesn’t it. If you put the team before everything than he was wrong. If however you value the truth then he was right.

Is it treachery to speak the truth? Or is it stupidity to give out and bring down the very team you are supposed to be working for? Surely saying that your team-mates are rubbish isn’t going to help any cause?

Have to say I agree with their statement that RTE provide some great pundits. I’m a huge fan of Brent Pope and George Hook’s rugby discussions. I may not always agree with them, but they are great to listen to.

Tags: Brent Pope, George Hook, Niall Quinn, Roy Keane, The Saipan Incident

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