TT #23


  1. Yesterday I sent one "fantasy/horror/paranormal/whatever" book to one girl who was so excited and asked me did I like it? I didn't read it so she asked me what kind of books I read. After I replied I was thinking how snobbish taste I have: my list was full of Booker Winners/short/long listed; Winners of Jerusalem Award; European Literary Award; my favourite writers are Nobel winners (I've even met Orhan Pamuk :)) but then I often like to explore and peek in some dark corners where "small literature" live and I often finding true pearls there. So I guess I'm not totally lost case after all ….

    But no, fantasy is still not my cup of tea.

  2. Stretching beyond your normal reading world and trying something new is a wonderful experience. Some fantasy books are wonderful reads. Full of characters that are memorable and grow. Which is what, imo, makes reading enjoyable!

    You go.

  3. Nymeth


    Very well said. I too think Terry Pratchett is a genius (and Neil Gaiman), and yet I also love Garcia Marquez. Capote, Eugenides, world epics, etc. The audacity of me!

    It's just hilarious how she tried to make US seem close-minded and snobbish, when that is exactly what she is.

  4. Great response to that post. I really hate it when people criticize something they won't read. How do you KNOW? The same thing happens with romance novels, and I just don't understand- are people that jaded about love that they need to make fun of it?

    Thanks for visiting me.

  5. Milan, I don't think it is snobbish to like what you like, it is only snobbish if you look down on other types of books as "not worthy" instead of thinking, "I'm not into them." And there is nothing that says everyone has to like the same thing. Which is, I think, the point Tuffy misses.

    Exactly Nancy. And that is what the challenge was all about.

    Hey Nymeth, TP is one of my favourite authors, and I'll never apologise for that, no matter what others think of him. His books are fantastic and entertaining and make points about people and culture and society, but never at the expense of the story ot characters. That is a feat.

    Lisa, I'll admit that Romance isn't really my thing. Although Harlequin did make me read Georgette Heyer, which I really loved, and I have a few comfort reads that are romance-types too. And I really enjoyed Colleen Gleason's The Rest Falls Away which is a vampire romance,in a way. So maybe romances are my bag too…
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  6. Nicely done, Fence. A very good Thursday Thirteen. Well written and sane, which is more than can be said for the post which generated it.

    And, oh my gosh, do I love that picture! It says so much about the personality of cats and is perfect for today's post!

  7. Gosh, some people are really full of themselves, aren't they? It just makes me sick when someone tries to tell me what is "worthy" of reading and what not. Most of this so-called "high-brow literature" can go to hell for all I care. I've read a fair amount of it and it just bores me to tears. And I'm not ashamed of admitting that. Some people on the other hand enjoy reading books that I would put down after 10 pages. And who am I to tell them not to? And who the hell is that person to tell me what to goddamn do? ;o)

    I've a mind to get over there and tell her or him to get a fucking life and stop harassing people for having a different taste. But then again, I've got better things to do and it's just not worth the effort.

    BTw, I have just watched Shindig again and that makes me think of Mal saying: "See how I'm not punching him? I think I must've grown." LOL

  8. I suppose I don't think of reading as a contest. I'm all for challenges and such; ok, well only sometimes, but people tend to take a holier-than-thou attitude when it comes to protecting the integrity of their chosen genre. Read, enjoy, expand your horizons, but don't mock me because it took me FOUR days to read AG. ;) Love that photo!

    (Btw, I really didn't time myself when I read AG…)

  9. Great post! I have read fantasy for years and that person is not the first person to insult me for doing so. I wish I had written down the source, but somewhere I read that people that read fantasy are actually generally rather intelligent because they can dispell reality and use their imagination, where other forms of literature are about life without breaking outside of it. I don't where I read that anymore, though, so I just keep it in the back of my mind when people make comments about my reading choices.

    Besides, I read other stuff besides fantasy, although, most of my classic reading over the last four years was only what I needed for school, one of these days my interest in it will come back, but I am not forcing myself to read what other people think I should.

    One last thing: He says that these books will not be remembered 50 years from now, well, I just have to say that isn't "The Princess Bride" over fifty years old… The Margart Weis/Tracy Hickman book came out over 20 years ago… I think that some of the books seem to be lasting. :)

  10. dew

    Well, that person is an idiot with too much free time on his hand that he spends running down people he knows nothing about, BUT! He did say one sensible thing. The Gate to Women's Country really is an amazing book, and the best of the Tepper works I've read by far.

  11. Isn't there more pressing things affecting the world than debating on the value of what people read? I can understand your response to this idiocy. Enjoy whatever YOU want to read, the important thing is to exercise your mind.

    Happy TT!

    Be well and enjoy the day.

  12. Carl, there is such a difference between not liking a particular book, or art, and giving out about the people who like it. The nicest people can like the strangest stuff. But I'm still waiting on the tentacle porn suggestions ;)

    Samulli, "And who the hell is that person to tell me what to goddamn do?" I totally agree. That was my major problem with the post. Hate fantasy books all you want. Just don't tell me I can't enjoy them. And you are totally right, it really isn't worth the effort to get worked up about it :)

    Four whole days Livewire! let the pointing and laughing begin ;)

    That's odd Kailana, the missing submit button, not that you read fantasy, hope it doesn't happen again.

    I must give it a read at some point dew. As I said, I have read some Tepper before, and enjoyed it but I always have to try to ignore the preachiness of it.

    You too Danielle
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  13. Wish I could post an interesting comment about books and authors. Truth is, I am rubbish at reading although I am currently trying to get through 'P.S. I Love You' by Cecelia Ahern. Anyone read it?

    Thanks for popping over to Kildare today!

  14. "His books are fantastic and entertaining and make points about people and culture and society, but never at the expense of the story or characters. That is a feat.!"

    Exactly! That is why I love him also.

  15. Great post! I read the blog and the comments. People like this irritate me. I don't mind opinions. If you don't like fantasy, so be it. I don't have a problem with that. I do have a problem with sweeping generalizations and criticsm though. This person doesn't know me or anyone else in this challenge.

  16. "but people tend to take a holier-than-thou attitude when it comes to protecting the integrity of their chosen genre." Actually, Livewire, I truly believe that most people do not do this, only a relative few in comparison to the number of reasonable, rational people who are passionate about the stuff they love but do not act 'superior' as Tuffy put it. Certainly none of the people that participated in the Once Upon a Time Challenge are that way.

    I think one of the things Tuffy misunderstood was the word 'challenge'. It wasn't about racing to finish books. And the contests weren't about rewarding people for reading fast or alot or anything like that. The contests I held were done so that I had an excuse to get great stuff into people's hands because that is the kind of stuff I love to do. None of us needed motivation to read, we all would have been reading anyway. This challenge, like most challenges, are about the sense of community.

    The only 'contest' that had to do with reading that may be viewed as me pushing what I like off on others was the Gaiman contest. And hell, I love Neil Gaiman and will take ANY opportunity to encourage people to give his work a try.

    I don't know who it was who said they read A.G. in three days but I feel safe in saying that their motivation for saying so was that they were excited about the book and excited that they were able to get through a fairly long book in such a short period of time…that is what annoys me most about Tuffy's post…she in no way considers the spirit of the individuals involved in this. She doesn't take the time to consider that the majority of readers of any genre are passionate because they make connections with the books, the books change their lives in small or large ways, the books bring entertainment and joy to them and they long to share that and make a connection with others.

    I've seen this phenomenon at sci fi and comic conventions. A divergent group of people get together who may, under other circumstances, never give each other a second look and they share things from deep inside themselves and form such a sense of community all because of something they are 'fan-ish' about. It is amazing and gives one a wonderful sense of belonging. That is certainly what my blog is all about, especially with the challenges, and I would assume that is why the rest of you blog as well.

    Tuffy and Trite just don't 'get it'..or more likely they do but choose not to online to get a rise out of people. Reading is its own reward. All the challenges and contests do is give us a place to focus our attention for awhile while we read so that we can share and bond and enjoy each other's online company.

  17. Books are overrated!! TV is the only thing I do!! ;-)

    I consider those lists merely as "suggestions". A lot of them are puzzling with their choices of was is high art and what is trash…the same could be said about TV, movies, music!

    Love the picture!!

  18. Hi Misslionheart, I haven't read PS I Love You, I actually haven't read much chick lit stuff recently. I have heard it is quite readable, but all the hype put me off when it was first released. I know it has died down by now, so I may pick it up.

    I think you are right SciFiChick. And we all gave in to the stirring, but a little bit of ranting is fun, once we don't take it too seriously, which i didn't.

    This person doesn’t know me or anyone else in this challenge.

    Exactly Stephanie, I totally agree.

    Reading is its own reward.

    You said it Carl. Of course, it can also be its own punishment too ;)

    Sally, TV rawks! Well parts of it. Other parts hurt lol
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  19. If by challenging he means really hard to understand and lacking any plot… he/she is right about me. I am too old to waste time reading anything that doesn't make me happy on some level and fiction that doesn't make me happy is often what others think would be good for me.

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