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  1. Harlequin

    I agree with the first way o'thinking. And I don't care what that makes me. It's how I feel. It's like that song "I don't wanna get over you" (great song btw, did I ever force you to listen to it? Look up the lyrics) I don't wanna get over being bitter and a bit bigoted. I don't wanna. I just don't. I'm not going to do anything about it – I don't hate individual English people or plot assassinations or anything. It's just all too bloody recent and still going on and the PATRONISING ATTITUDES argh. And I'm reading Star of the Sea so now I'm seething over the Famine again.

    And also?

    They gave me food poisoning. The bastards.

  2. The first way being that nothing but GAA should be played in Croke Park? That makes you plain silly as you aren't a GAA person.
    Or is it simply the fact that it is the English, in which case it makes you insecure and wallowing in your own victimhood. Whereas I, as a confident Irish person can see any superiority as simply inferiority and shake it off.
    Plus, we've bombed and killed them a lot more recently that they've bombed us. Iffin you regard the IRA as Irish.
    Ples the English rugby team were the only ones who came at the height of the troubles, all d'others wouldn't travel on account of the violence. And they had the good grace to lose too.
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  3. Sport these days is one of the few avenues where people get passionate about their countries or nationalities. Or rather, sport is the only time certain peoples are allowed to wave flags without being seen as racist or provoking racial tension.
    I don't know what it's like in Ireland but here, the English flag seemingly can only be displayed when the English football or rugby team are about play in international competition; any other time it's displayed, people complain about it.
    When I worked in Sweden, the yellow and blue of the Swedish flag was everywhere, proper flags on flagpoles in people's gardens etc. Imagine if it were the St George's Flag or even the Union Jack flying in someone's garden here – it wouldn't last two minutes before there'd be a court order to remove it…

  4. Weenie, it used to be that if you flew an Irish flag it meant you supported the IRA. But since the days of Jack Charlton and the football glories it is okay to fly the flag.
    But it is only around sporting occasions that we fly the flag, don't think anyone'd display it as some sort of patriotic gesture without the rational of supporting a team.

    But that is history and the past for you.
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  5. Harlequin

    "But of course the real reason for objections is the fact that the anthem God Save The Queen will be played. In the very grounds where the british army shot dead 14 Irish people, including one of the players[9] Don’t forget that Hill 16 was built out of the rubble of the 1916 destruction. It is sacred ground, because the GAA is much more than a sporting organisation. It is a way of life, and a cultural identifier[10] and to have the “enemy’s anthem” played there shows a serious lack of respect.

    According to some people.

    Me, I tend to disagree."

    "I agree with the first part" being I agree with the first paragraph that I just quoted there. There are a million billion other songs that can be sung. Or no songs at all. Besides, the Queen ain't gonna be there so why not sing Jerusalem or summat else.

  6. Be as fickle as you want Anne, once you support Ireland :) I cannot reciprocate however, we need France to lose in order to win the Championship.

    Harlequin – Ah, I see.

    But why should the English play any anthem but their anthem? GSTQ is usually accepted as the English anthem despite some websites, so why shouldn't they sing it? Could you imagine if we were playing in England and they asked us not to play ours? (although we don't use the national anthem for away rugby matches, but that is a whole nother reason.)
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  7. Okay, this actually brings up a contentious issue outside Ireland as well. God Save The Queen is not the "English" anthem. It's the British National Anthem (not that most of us want it). England just use it. Really they should have their own anthem the same as the Scots and Welsh, and to be fair most England fans feel the same way.

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